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KaytodaD wrote:
i still have and still use my Rodec Mx180 mk2

bought it 9 years ago and still working perfectly

dunno i guess it's the oldskool touch

they use to be the standard before Pioneer popped up some mixers


edit: have fun with it Den, i know you will :)


works perfectly ?

you mean apart from the "stiff and hard to turn and way to small knobs" or the "look im fading fading fading woops I got the fader button in my hand and not on my mixer" kinda things :p

I simply hate rodec mixers ... sounds might be good, but functionality is below zero ... and its not only about the cool effects etc that its missing ... So no I dont hate you for buying crap :)

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lol

true :lol:


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maybe im in love with a dinosaur, but imo its a pleasure to mix with. i already mixed for days and days on zelle's (youthhouse of louvain-la-neuve). most of the others look like toys for me...and the sound is above all the others, nothing beats this oldschool machine ; a real stradivarius. i just would have liked a smoother crossfader.

and as kaytoad's, these live for eternity. i suppose i dont wanna spend hundreds in mixers every 3 years...

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never understood the Rodec vibe...but they're very decent to say the least...

still Ecler all the way for me...

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Den&Bass wrote:
and as kaytoad's, these live for eternity. i suppose i dont wanna spend hundreds in mixers every 3 years...


If you have a problem with your Pioneer/Ecler mixer after a mere 3 years, chances are you're doing stuff that will make any rodec go kaput as well.

Besides some parts of some mixers like Ecler are under guarantee for 5 years, such as the crossfader (if you upgrade to the eternal, you have liftime guarantee). If knobs get pulled off or the mixer gets thrown around, Rodec isn't going to help the problem that you or your friends are using it as a 'stressbal' :)

Rodec has become a standard here because:

-It's Belgian, so easy to get, repair, get spare parts, and of course it's pushed to death

-To a lot of venues the longer it stays ok that's the only thing that counts.

I never ever heard a UK Dj having to play on a rodec in a club instead of a DJM or similar go 'w00t a Rodec 180! So cool!' for instance (some even refuse so I had to pull out my own ecler)

Also, when you use that kind of thing on a booth + front, there seems to be a whole discussion about the output sounds of Rodec compared to other mixers and without a limiter it might damage material. I can give you a venue that blew couple of Bose speakers due to it, don't have the details. For home usage it should not matter (well, don't put it at 100 percent, obviously).

The only thing I can't argue about is that the price is really good. Then again I've seen DJM's and Ecler 5's for 500-600 on kapaza etc.


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Jemenfish wrote:
Den&Bass wrote:
and as kaytoad's, these live for eternity. i suppose i dont wanna spend hundreds in mixers every 3 years...


If you have a problem with your Pioneer/Ecler mixer after a mere 3 years, chances are you're doing stuff that will make any rodec go kaput as well.



²nd ... if you break a pioneer or a ecler after 3 years ... then WTF are you doing to it ? :lol:

Ive seen a pioneer beiing abused heavely in a youthouse for 5-6 years and still it played more then descent!

For home usage, ive got my ecler nuo 5 for about 5 years now ... not a single problem (and its powered on 24/7 ... I know I´m a power abuser ...)

So my advice would be : learn how to use and treat your material before you go claiming its not descent enough !

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ok, it should live more than 3 years.

but for instance, knobs and faders can become dusty after a while and your ear it. nothing like this on the rodecs, even after 20 years. as i said, some ppl manage to 'burn' channels on pioneers, by putting them in the reds. i sounds incredible but its real! and if you break something inside, all is fixable, its not a motherboard that you can just throw away if its broken!

nevermind. believe it or not, i just love to use this rodec. its all i need! but i understand that other prefer newer mixers, with the glittering lights, screens, effects, and all that!

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Go for it u lucky fuck, they're legendary (+ belgian no?)


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Den&Bass wrote:
...other prefer newer mixers, with the glittering lights, screens, effects, and all that!


don't get this wrong, but rodec is a dinosaur in usage compared to pioneer... don't like rodec... give me pioneer and his smoothness ;-)

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hidious wrote:
Den&Bass wrote:
...other prefer newer mixers, with the glittering lights, screens, effects, and all that!


don't get this wrong, but rodec is a dinosaur in usage compared to pioneer... don't like rodec... give me pioneer and his smoothness ;-)

offtopic hidious


^ this. And The sound in my headphones is often distorted when playing on a rodec.


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I feel compelled to set the record straight as I sell mixers for a living

Jemenfish wrote:
No can do for the sound. Rodec's usually have an unbalanced output (+110 AFAIK).

Rodec BX series and the MIXBOX do not have a balanced output.
The MX series, the CX series and the SCRATCHBOX however do have a balanced output.
The new MX series even have multiple balanced outputs. (most Ecler / Pioneer mixers only have 1)
Furthermore: the soundquality of a mixer is determined by the circuitry and the components used inside the mixer. A balanced output does not upgrade the sound in any way. It's just a way of getting rid of interference when you run your audio cables over long distances or next to heavy powerlines. If you use good quality audio cables you don't need a balanced output for home use of your mixer. Don't get me wrong: I prefer a balanced output to an unbalanced one but most home dj's don't even have a balanced input on their amplifier or soundcard.

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The sound isn't really crisp. Plug in a simple DJM600 or DJM800 then your table at a party, you'll see what people mean.)

To you it sounds crisp to me it sounds harsh.
The Pioneer mixers are 100% digital. The audio signal is A/D converted when it enters the mixer and D/A converted when it leaves. This results in a more digital sound with pronounced over the top high frequencies. To me it sounds worse especially when playing vinyl. CD's sound better on a Pioneer then vinyl though.

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Besides some parts of some mixers like Ecler are under guarantee for 5 years, such as the crossfader (if you upgrade to the eternal, you have liftime guarantee). If knobs get pulled off or the mixer gets thrown around, Rodec isn't going to help the problem that you or your friends are using it as a 'stressbal'

Ecler offers a 2 year guarantee on all of their mixers (not only the crossfader) and you get a 5 year guarantee on the eternal fader.
There's not a single fader in the world that comes with a lifetime guarantee. You are probably confused because Ecler claims the eternal fader will last a lifetime (wich it might, I'm not saying it's a bad fader)
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Also, when you use that kind of thing on a booth + front, there seems to be a whole discussion about the output sounds of Rodec compared to other mixers and without a limiter it might damage material. I can give you a venue that blew couple of Bose speakers due to it, don't have the details. For home usage it should not matter (well, don't put it at 100 percent, obviously).

Any mixer might damage material without a limiter. In the end it's up to the dj. If you can keep the input and output signal more or less around 0db you will never damage a system if it's set up professionally.
And the Bose argument doesn't count imho, Bose is one of the worst pro speaker brands out there. It's good for your living room but not for clubs, bars, etc... I could argue why, but this is becoming a long post already.
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The lifetime argument doesnt count, as I said... And the sound is about the worst of all pro-dj desks. You fail.

So I guess you really tested this by connecting all pro dj desks to the same sound system and comparing the sound quality:)
Rodec in fact has a very good sound quality, better then most pro dj desks. This is one of the reasons it got so widely accepted in the Belgian scene. (some of the other reasons were already mentioned in the thread)

To the people I quote: don't take it personal. I don't want to attack anyone over this, but please get your facts straight before you start slagging off someone because he bought a good mixer for an even better price. (maybe the title D&B chose for his thread wasn't that smart though:)

The criticism that I will agree on: Rodec is built like a tank, and indeed it has the same size. I really hate the dimensions, the fact that the mixer is slanted, the small knobs, all true. In fact when I get bookings I usually ask for a Pioneer DJM800 because the possibilities, the functionality and the size of the mixer are way better.
If some brand could make a mixer with the functionality and effect section of a DJM 800 combined with the analog sound of a Rodec MX180 I would buy it instantly, it would be the best mixer in the world imho.
PS: to the Ecler lovers: also very good mixers indeed, especially the NUO series.


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If some brand could make a mixer with the functionality and effect section of a DJM 800 combined with the analog sound of a Rodec MX180 I would buy it instantly, it would be the best mixer in the world imho.

looking at what Rodec's bringing out lately, it wil only be a matter of time for an analogue DJM 800, made by Rodec..

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wontime wrote:
Paranoized wrote:
The lifetime argument doesnt count, as I said... And the sound is about the worst of all pro-dj desks. You fail.

So I guess you really tested this by connecting all pro dj desks to the same sound system and comparing the sound quality:)


Well, not really "all", tho "pro-dj desks" is a wide term. But I heard allot of desks (Rodec, Pioneer, Urei, Ecler, ...) on the same soundsystem, and I stay put on what I said.

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well im mixin with "it" since some days now, and i have to say something : NOT A SINGLE GLITCH : leds responding in time, no dust in the faders, nothing to fix whuile mixing (like losing a loudspeaker because of too low gain) . this mixer is maybe 15 years old and its like having a brand new model.

i just need to find the way to eq correctly in order to avoid going in the reds (even if this mixer doesnt care much, the sound is absolutely not distorted (unlike on pioneers!!!) and is even slightly better sometimes, like going trough a compressor).

i dont know if theres a way to listen to the "real" output in the headphones tho (with the faders and eqs influence) : i was used to it before, and ill miss it if its impossible -ill have to play louder then, and have just one ear in the headphones.

im really impressed by the machine. my previous mixer was quite cool, and ive already used pioneers, nuos, etc. here it feels like a stratocaster when you never had better than a squier guitar! i dont want anything else!

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Anyone with some basic electrical knowledge will appreciate the simplicity & robustness of an (old) MX180 desk.

They're REALLY easy to maintain, the parts are reachable, pretty modular, decent quality & built to last. Think about that when you diss it's sheer size. The size of the thing also means Rodec doesn't have to take into account build size when designing the components. No Compromises when it comes to having room for a DECENT PSU (most important thing in ANY mixer imo.)

The things deliver & keep working, I've never had any issues with a desk of that type when it comes to signal disruption, noise on the audio signal or shit like that.

If I'd drop a pint of beer on top of any mixer... It'd have to be an MX180 desk. easiest to take apart, clean & put back together. Try spilling some shit on a mixer with optical CF & shitloads of solid state electronics.

To anyone dissing the Rodec "sound"....
That's the sound that's actually on the record mates...
Hooking up some decent speakers on the balanced out is gonna give u a real sound. The potentiometers are solid as a rock. The fact that they require some force to turn em around is actually a positive thing when you're controlling a powerful soundsystem. You really don't want to much 'twitchyness' then do you?

BTW MX180 schematics are available all over the net. If anything happens to your mixer. With the help of some technical forums & basic electronic skills you can fix it yourself most of the time.

http://www.phase-acoustics.de/mx180.pdf

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