music production on UBUNTU
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Author:  Den&Bass [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:18 pm ]
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i've recently moved to ubuntu. my hd crashed and i *tought* it was a good idea...but its a long way to get all the features i had on windows (so far : games are a joke without 3D card -wich i dont have-, use of encrypted rar files is impossible until new versions of the archiver, NTFS external drives are not well recognized and its only possible to read them, my digital camera wasnt available:i had to buy a card reader to get my pics, etc, etc, etc) but i'm a newbie and im sure i'm gonna find solutions.

now heres a big thing i miss : my good old FL Studio 7! reading that i can run, but that theres a latency of 900ms with wine (the linux/microsoft bridge), i tried a fruity-clone called LMMS... it looks crappy, theres obviously no master mixer nor slicer, nor timestretching, nor granulizer, nor VSTs!

maybe this has all these features, but i havent seen them!!if someone can help me...or guide me to better softs (i know there are protools-lookalikes, synths, etc, but i cant use them at all, since i was used to the "all-in-one" suites like FL) that would allow me to produce under linux!!!

thanks a lot!

Author:  cjpa [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:23 pm ]
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it is possible, but you really need to be hardcore for it.
Most VST's won't run on linux, only a very small subset of VST's will run (the ones that don't have a fancy userinterface) and even then barely.
Device driver support for audiocards and even midi-processors still lacks.
Sequencers look ugly and aren't intuitive.

Though there's light at the end of the tunnel: the problems you describe (ntfs-support, rar-file thingie, digital camera wank) can be solved if you use google in the correct way and if you aren't afraid of dirtying your hands a little ;-)

Author:  marcas [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:48 pm ]
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Too much hastle if you ask me. I'd re-install Windows. I recommend Windows 2000 for producing but that's only based on my personal experience.

Author:  Den&Bass [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:53 pm ]
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i manage to solve these glitches at the rate i find them. for instance, i reformated my hard drive in fat32, bought a memory card reader. the rar wank is, unfortunately, a known bug to be fixed in a forthcoming update...

about sound, i tried LMMS, wich is a fruity-clone..really ugly, i'm trying it atm to see what features is has (i'm still looking for the slicer, FX and something that could make nice sounds like the Sytrus did)

another one is Energy XT2, made by berhinger (i know, its a brand famous for the bad quality of their products...). it looks fancier, but no demo available, i have to pay for a license (50 euro, thats ok). this one has timestretching, full VST support (they say), sample-ready synths, pitchshifting, FX, etc. it looks moreover correct, dunno about the overal result tho.



Author:  Den&Bass [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:55 pm ]
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Still Blown Away by the LMMS

November 29th, 2007 Thomasso Posted in Audio, General |

The Linux Multi Media Studio [LMMS] is still still on top of my Desktop, and it’s being sitting there for nearly three days–three days with it. I am in shock-and-awe mode as I discovered that I can add more effects, sound-fonts and VST-plugins directly into the LMMS. It took a little while to figure it all out. This slow-down of fiddling with it was only because that the documentation sucked, and the help files and Docs, well, they don’t exists yet, and also searching for a good set of Q&As is still impossible. So I’m hopping that more people will start contributing to the Winki, and other How-To’s so that it will give everyone a quick head start into creating music rather than becoming an expert in programming in C++. But in all, I am very happy with LMMS. I guess I was having withdraw symptoms from FL-Studio after all?

[Just adding this little fact/point, sort of clarifying a misunderstanding here: My Desktop is fine. LMMS is not permanently stuck there, OKay. I was making a witty remark about how much I love it, and that "I" leave it on my Desktop--open. My Linux machine will kick your "I didn't pay for Window$" machine any day--any time!]

My latest Creation! ::

Instrument Plugins: This is probably the coolest feature of LMMS in its whole arsenal of tools. It has built into it, right out of the box, some very cool plugins, but the best feature of them all is the VeSTige plugin. Actually, VeSTige is a VST-plugin Wrapper for LMMS. I thought this was very clever because you can download thousands of VST-plugins and store them into your favourite file location and then have VeSTige link to them. So you can migrate most of the FL-Studio VST-plugins over to LMMS. Also, just Google “VST-plugins” to search them out. Yes, they are “dll” libraries, but don’t let that stop you!

LADPSA Plugins: LADPSA [Linux Audio Developer's Simple Plugin API]. Okay, these are a little bit more tricky to talk about. My best advice, because you will want more audio effects for your projects, is to Google “LADPSA” and go from there. These are little plugins, written in XML, that give you all those cool effects like Course, Delay, EQ, Reverb, etc., but you can’t just load them like you would with the VST-plugins. Instead I had to install them through my apps installer. For Unbutu, just search LADPSA in your apps, synaptic, and install it. There are hundreds of them to choose from, but Google for them, because there are lots out there in the World Wide Web. The best source for LADPSAs are here in this web site www.ladspa.org.

Author:  DLo [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:03 pm ]
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I've been using Ubuntu for a good year now on my laptop and I must say I'm really happy with it. NTFS is supported in the latest version. I just takes a while to get used to it...but after that you enjoyed it equally much as a good working windows version!

for music production on the other hand...I guess you can better have a stable Windows 2000 version like Marcas said. Using programs like LMMS is good for exploring different (free) programs...but is never gonna give you the great production results. Linux is a really really good operation system for home internet wordprocessing use... Not for these kind of tricks

Author:  Den&Bass [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:28 pm ]
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finally found a solution : renoise works great on linux...now i just have to understand this wonderful -but obviously complex- interface. moreover i think switching to this will be a good thing musicwise! 8)

Author:  cjpa [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:28 pm ]
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still no vst support though. not even with renoise.
Until the independant vendors start making linux-version, we're shit out of luck

Author:  Den&Bass [ Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:26 pm ]
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now i'm very much advanced in all this stuff. i can say some interresting things!
1)running sound progs on linux is a long journey...finding wich ones are good, then managing to get them working can be harsh when you dont know anything...i'd say that with some experience, it becomes easier, but you always need to read a lot in forums to find the infos you need to set things up...

2)you can use fruity loops under wine with some distros...nice to know, but its compatibility is garbage with ubuntu...

3)btw, there are many interresting softs (jack(allows to connect every softs altogether, a little like rewire but with more universality, ardour (protools clone), rosegarden (you play piano and it writes the musical part,...). the one i'm trying to make running is REAPER, its 100% wine-compliant and is able to run windows vsts! the gui reminds ableton live in all ways! and its freeeee!!!!
energy xt2 looks fun, but the demo doesnt allow saving projects...so i'm not sure i'll go further on this one since the other looks promising. :just after achieveing making it running, i read elsewhere that reaper was free and better...damnit!

i know you'll reply : "why dont i install windows back on another hd and just simply use FL or ableton?' well:
1)relying on the same softs as everyone else is just not funny anymore...
2)if i can do my sound without cracking expensive softs, thats good...because who knows, someday someone could investigate what i've been using.
3)windows just doesnt attract me now that i've discovered linux...getting back to it would be a proof of defeat. linux is a constant challenge, and many ppl have achieved it, so why not me?

Author:  cjpa [ Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:09 pm ]
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the thing you write about reaper is misleading: you can use it up till 30 days, after that you're morally required to buy it (though the price is very reasonable: 50$). I use it on windows. It replaces cubase sx.

The fact still remains: a lot of the vst's i use, are not wine-compatible so they won't work when running reaper in wine-mode. I'm thinking: everything from Native Instruments, the Rob Papen synths, every vst made with Synth Edit, and a bunch of others with custom user interfaces.
Probably in time their libraries will also be ported but not in the forseeable future. Wine-development is a cat-and-mouse game with the wine cat constantly running behind a rather fast windows-mouse..
But, i bet that if you invest a lot of time in it, you can do about the same sonic-wise as in windows. It just requires a lot of setup and learning.

I'm a big supporter of linux and open source, but when making music, i don't want to read support forums and sit in my terminal 4 hours to get something running. I need a sequencer and synths that don't interrupt my flow too much with technical difficulties.

Anyways, i'm interested in the things you can achieve, so if you get a decent setup running, don't hesitate to post about it here..

Author:  kyran [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:37 pm ]
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Codeweavers makes a software called crossover linux. It's wine on steroids with directX support. This means that almost any vst works with it (except those that require dongles)

They gave away free licenses last week, but it's not all that expensive.

The windows version of energyXT2 runs very well in wine, and crossover and hosts windows vsts. I like it a lot more than reaper. You can even run FLstudio in crossover, and that comes with a lot of build in synths.

If I really get some free time I'm also going to compile some good open source vsts to linux (like the last beta of helix and xhip)

This site also contains a bunch of linux vsts:

and discodsp discovery can be bought in a linux vst version.

Author:  sepper8 [ Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:33 pm ]
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Some of you might hate me for this but I think Windows 7 handles Cubase and Reason flawlessly! It's really such an improvement! It feels faster and more stable then the old XP!

Lets's just forget Vista ever existed...

Author:  border [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: music production on UBUNTU

For a few years now I'm trying (struggling) with producing in linux. I don't want to move back and there's a lot of good software, but it's just not a very productive environment.

However, a few things changed that for me.

1. I needed a project management system. There was lash which was not very well supported. But now there is Ladish
And it automatically starts and shuts down your programs (even those who don't support it), if you provide it with the command to start those. For programs supporting ladish it can even automatically save your entire project.

2. I needed a good sequencer who does midi and can work with samples (mostly for drums) decently. I tried ardour, which does drums very well, but no midi (coming up in 3.0). And with a lot of drum samples loaded it gets very slow and memory intensive (something to do with undo/redo I figure).
But only now I discovered Renoise. It is not open source software, which I prefer, but it really fits me well. There's a lot you can accomplish by the keyboard alone, so you don't have to touch your mouse a lot.

3. I bought a second hand Samsung Q1 Ultra.
Not a strong cpu, but enough memory (till 2GB). Working with such a small touchscreen and stylus is a delight. And I'm quite surprised to see what it is capable of in combination with my own baked realtime kernel (the ubuntu realtime kernel does not work with this device, kernel 2.6.31 has issues).
In working with samples in renoise I could not reach the limit easily. And it can handle 2 or 3 soft synths (zynaddsubfx and bristol) at the same time. Even a few effects.

4. There is a repository for Ubuntu which provides a lot of recently compiled audio software (ardour, ardour3.0, hydrogen, zynaddsubfx...)
and the active projects get an update about every week. There are is lot of exotic and very interesting software to be found. All precompiled and packaged, ready to install.
Ladish can be easily installd from there too

5. For the less adventurous there is indamixx
Check www.indamixx.com
They provide a rock solid linux system for music production on laptops, netbooks and umpc's. I haven't tested it yet, but I will. I bought the samsung q1 ultra especially for it, but it seems I was able to pull it of myself for a great deal. Just mixxx doesn't seem to be stable on my system and they have it customised so that it won't break.

A lot to investigate, a lot to discover.
Sorry for the long post.
But I hope to be of assistance te anybody, and if someone does need some guidance I will be happy to provide it.


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