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Fellow breakz members,

This topic is orientated towards people who use or want to use timecode software such as serato or traktor scratch.
If you, for some ghastly reason :p , are someone who opposes this take to dj'ing and only has negative comments about this technology... please... don't bother commenting. This topic is made to straighten questions people have and to offer tips from DJ's who've been using one or both.


I'll start this one off :)
I've been dj'ing now for aprox 2 years and nen scheet. I've always supported Vinyl and bought a fair ammount over the last 3/4 years.
Since a couple of months i've been feeling the downside of my slim student upkeep and i'm very tempted to buy a timecode software kit such as serato or traktor scratch. I've been trying out traktor for a while at some friends places and i'm actually very impressed.
Still i see ALOT, let's say the majority, DJ's at parties (which is what i would use the software for aswell, not only home use) use rane's Serato.
After checking various forums and product evalations online i'm still in doubt about what program would suit me better.
Through this i'd like to think what fellow vloamsche dj's think of this matter. Is there such a thing as 'THE BETTER' product, or is each program made with a certain goal or for certain peers / Dj's?
To get down to business;

What are the significant pro's and con's concerning each program? (Comming from people with experience with one or both)
Are they both worth their price ticket?
Is there a significant benefit when you compare for instance Traktor Scratch Duo and Traktor Scratch Pro?
How's the online support for both programs? (i'm thinking updates etc...)
Are there small bugs or glitches in one or both programs?


If anyone else has any questions related to this matter, please feel free to kwak them on here
Thx!

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i've bought Traktor Pro a couple of weeks ago...very good tool for home use, but still wouldn't recommend it to play out.

Since cdj's are way too expensive (the crappiest one is already 300-400), i saw this as a solution to check my digital combos at home. Combos that work out well will go on a cd...(when i find the time to burn some cdr's)

Installing the stuff on a party is just too much of a hassle, but for home use, it's very good.

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I've been playing with Traktor Scratch Duo for over a year now. It's incredibly easy to search your music and keep your tracklists, groups tracks, ... But as The Nitrous says, it's way too much crap setting the thing up at a party (Takes even the experienced user 5 to 8 minutes), . For that, I'm thinking of using the system only at home and burning cd's for playing on the road. It's still more fun to play it the vinyl way, but I don't like being out with an expensive laptop either. Also, my netbook has crashed a few times when I got back home (I'm reinstalling it right now for the 4th time) but thats a personal issue.

So yeah, still doubting every time to take it with me on the road.

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I just use traktor to make the combo's at home. The good ones go on cd. Sure, u have to press sync to beatmatch but after a few year the beatmatching skill is like a given. U only need a monitor to make that happen.
Timecode is just a little to expensive to buy just to have more fun at home.

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I've been DJing for 5 years with vinyl only until last april, when I decided to jump over to traktor scratch Pro.

Don't be alarmed by the post above by the setup @ parties. Yes sometimes it's a little inconvenient when you don't have easy access to to the mixer & TT/CDJ's . Setting Traktor Up @ events takes me about 5 minutes or less. and of those 5 minutes I need 1-2 minutes at the decks themselves to swap out the RC jacks. Never encountered any problems so far setting this up (until last steam but that was because all of a sudden a port quit working on my audio 8 for some reason).

I've compared Traktor scratch PRO & Serato and checked what suited me. I quickly chose traktor. Overall it has more options & features for you to play with.
Examples (note this was all true last April, I Don't know if this is still correct with the current serato version)
- Traktor supports 4 decks , where serato only supported 2
- Traktor supports cue points / loops / beatgrids, serato did not
- Traktor has internal effects & internal recorder
- The Traktor cables allows you to play both regular vinyl /cd's while traktor is connected. YOu just need to change your channel from line in to phono or CD. (very handy for back 2 backs with someone that does not have Timecode software)

Also when you buy traktor, all the subsequent updates are for free (but only for the version you bought. Duo -> Duo, Pro -> Pro)

If you're buying traktor, I'd strongly recommend you buy the PRO version and not duo. Don't gimp yourself towards the future when you might want to use more features. Also I do not think traktor does upgrades from Duo to Pro (not sure about this, check it out yourself!!)


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Vicelord wrote:
I've been DJing for 5 years with vinyl only until last april, when I decided to jump over to traktor scratch Pro.

Don't be alarmed by the post above by the setup @ parties. Yes sometimes it's a little inconvenient when you don't have easy access to to the mixer & TT/CDJ's . Setting Traktor Up @ events takes me about 5 minutes or less. and of those 5 minutes I need 1-2 minutes at the decks themselves to swap out the RC jacks. Never encountered any problems so far setting this up (until last steam but that was because all of a sudden a port quit working on my audio 8 for some reason).

I've compared Traktor scratch PRO & Serato and checked what suited me. I quickly chose traktor. Overall it has more options & features for you to play with.
Examples (note this was all true last April, I Don't know if this is still correct with the current serato version)
- Traktor supports 4 decks , where serato only supported 2
- Traktor supports cue points / loops / beatgrids, serato did not
- Traktor has internal effects & internal recorder
- The Traktor cables allows you to play both regular vinyl /cd's while traktor is connected. YOu just need to change your channel from line in to phono or CD. (very handy for back 2 backs with someone that does not have Timecode software)

Also when you buy traktor, all the subsequent updates are for free (but only for the version you bought. Duo -> Duo, Pro -> Pro)

If you're buying traktor, I'd strongly recommend you buy the PRO version and not duo. Don't gimp yourself towards the future when you might want to use more features. Also I do not think traktor does upgrades from Duo to Pro (not sure about this, check it out yourself!!)


Serato supports 3 decks
Serato supports cue points/ loops ... and is awesome in combination with this midi controler http://www.novationmusic.com/dicer
Serato does have an internal recorder and effects ... which also supports midi controllers
You also can switch timecode mode/ reguler vinyl or cd mode using the THRU button
Updates are also free

Check this video of Qbert who make a comparison of both consoles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTj-L7EKCL8

Personally I prefer Rane Serato. I don't really like the layout of Traktor. There's too much going on imo. But in the end I think both are on the same level.

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-goldorak- wrote:

Serato supports 3 decks
Serato supports cue points/ loops ... and is awesome in combination with this midi controler http://www.novationmusic.com/dicer
Serato does have an internal recorder and effects ... which also supports midi controllers
You also can switch timecode mode/ reguler vinyl or cd mode using the THRU button
Updates are also free

Check this video of Qbert who make a comparison of both consoles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTj-L7EKCL8

Personally I prefer Rane Serato. I don't really like the layout of Traktor. There's too much going on imo. But in the end I think both are on the same level.


seems lot has changed then :)


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took it with me for the third time, second time it failed...
if the technics is busted, the shit don't work.

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The_NitrouS wrote:
if the technics is busted, the shit don't work.

:D ( i shouldn't fucking laugh widit)

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This has been really helpful guys, thanks, i think my mind is made up. ;)

Still, if anyone still has positive/negative experiences they want to share concerning one or both of these products. Please do! I can't imagine i'm the only DJ who wants some hands on advise by fellow countryman DJ's. :)

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Vicelord wrote:
If you're buying traktor, I'd strongly recommend you buy the PRO version and not duo. Don't gimp yourself towards the future when you might want to use more features. Also I do not think traktor does upgrades from Duo to Pro (not sure about this, check it out yourself!!)

You can buy Traktor pro software afterwards. Only, you still have the AUDIO 4 DJ hardware. That's no problem if you just keep playing on two decks. The other two out of four virtual decks, who come with the software can also be controller by the same cdj/technics by switching control surface. Or you can use a midi device to trigger samples or something.

Maybe it's good to state the difference hard and software-wise:
The AUDIO 4 DJ is just a 2x in 2x out soundcard
the line ins are switchable between phono and line

The AUDIO 8 DJ is a 4x in 4x out soundcard
2 of the line ins are switchable between phono and line
the other 2 are just line in (so only 2 controllable with 2 decks and 2 cdjs or 4 cdjs)

The software is what really gives the features:
Traktor Pro has a lot more options for tweaking the screen layout than the Duo version. It's also more extended for midi controllers.

SO:
You can buy a package Traktor Scratch Duo or Pro or buy soft and hardware apart. But...
Here's the big deal: Native Instruments is doing sales lately (prolly cause the will be launchibg something new in the future) There is a 50% deal on The packages and soft and hardware apart. So if you buy a Traktor Scratch Pro right now, then you'll probably pay less than I did for my Traktor Scratch Duo.

Up to you to decide.

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Vertebrate wrote:
Vicelord wrote:
If you're buying traktor, I'd strongly recommend you buy the PRO version and not duo. Don't gimp yourself towards the future when you might want to use more features. Also I do not think traktor does upgrades from Duo to Pro (not sure about this, check it out yourself!!)


Here's the big deal: Native Instruments is doing sales lately (prolly cause the will be launchibg something new in the future) There is a 50% deal on The packages and soft and hardware apart. So if you buy a Traktor Scratch Pro right now, then you'll probably pay less than I did for my Traktor Scratch Duo.


Nah, you already need an audio 4 or 8, it's purely an upgrade (which i still don't get if you compare the software pro upgrade and the certified upgrade)

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poepsnor wrote:
Vertebrate wrote:
Vicelord wrote:
If you're buying traktor, I'd strongly recommend you buy the PRO version and not duo. Don't gimp yourself towards the future when you might want to use more features. Also I do not think traktor does upgrades from Duo to Pro (not sure about this, check it out yourself!!)


Here's the big deal: Native Instruments is doing sales lately (prolly cause the will be launchibg something new in the future) There is a 50% deal on The packages and soft and hardware apart. So if you buy a Traktor Scratch Pro right now, then you'll probably pay less than I did for my Traktor Scratch Duo.


Nah, you already need an audio 4 or 8, it's purely an upgrade (which i still don't get if you compare the software pro upgrade and the certified upgrade)


Nope Traktor Pro / Duo is the software only, Traktor Scratch Pro / Duo is the package with hard- and software.

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http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... /?page=238

please explain, it's the second time that i'm in this discussion that you already need to own an audio 4 or 8 and i'm really getting confused :lol:

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http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... /?page=238

please explain, it's the second time that i'm in this discussion that you already need to own an audio 4 or 8 and i'm really getting confused :lol:


Well, you can run the Traktor Pro/Duo software with all midicontrollers (+a soundcard for audio output). This software acts like any virtual dj, mixxx, ... other software you've seen with infamous hercules controllers and other shit. You can also mix with an internal mixer on your computer (not very handy though).

It's just: If you want the control function to work with timecoded vinyl/cd, you actually need an audio 4 or 8. It's this soundcard that translates the timecoded signal into midi data. These midi data go over usb and enable the software to determine what to play.

Now, here is the tricky thing: If you have a Traktor Scratch 'Certified Mixer', this should connect to your computer via USB. In this case the mixer takes over the function of the Audio 4/8 so you only need software AND you need to buy the Control Vinyls.

So: If you want the thing to act like a vinyl, you better buy Traktor Scratch Pro/Duo (the package) and not just the software Traktor Pro/Duo.

Short summary:
Traktor: software
Traktor Scratch: software + audio soundcard + control vinyl/cd package

Pro: 4 decks and extended options
Duo: 2 decks and limited options

Audio 4: 2x stereo line in/phono + 2x stereo line out
Audio 8: 2x stereo line in/phono + 2x stereo line in + 4x stereo line out

Traktor Scratch Pro comes with Audio 8 + control vinyl/cd + Traktor Pro software
Traktor Scratch Duo comes with Audio 4 + control vinyl/cd + Traktor Duo software

If midicontrollerdude -> only need software
else if certified mixer -> need software + control vinyl/cd
else go buy package with software, hardware and control vinyl/cd

Edit:
If you have already bought an Audio 4/8 soundcard (for what reason not in a package), you can buy an upgrade package with control vinyl/cd and traktor software so you have the full traktor scratch thing.

Edit 2:
If you have a certified mixer and no Audio 4/8, you have to take your mixer with you on the road. If not, no control shit can be translated form your vinyl. :teeth:

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